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MSI’s K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI motherboard

Joel Hruska
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Manufacturer MSI
Model K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI
Price (Street)
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Editor’s note: This review took us an awfully long time to finish. Too long, in fact, and MSI says this motherboard has ended its run, to be replaced by a new model. We’ve decided to go ahead and publish this review for your reading pleasure, in part because variants of this design, like the non-SLI K8N Neo4 Platinum, are still widely available for purchase.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT NVIDIA launched its nForce4 SLI X16 chipset several months ago, motherboard manufacturers have been slow to adopt the new core logic. That’s understandable, since the X16 chipset really doesn’t offer much in the way of new features and performance. In fact, there are still only a few nForce4 SLI X16-based motherboards available on the market.

With much of the high-end motherboard market riding the original nForce4 SLI, MSI’s K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI looks right at home. MSI’s spin on the nForce4 SLI is unique, though. Rather than settling for the nForce4 SLI chipset’s pedestrian AC’97 audio implementation, MSI has endowed the K8N Neo4 with a high-definition audio chip from Creative. Can high-def audio help the K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI rise above the slew of nForce4 SLI boards out there? Read on to find out.

The specs

CPU support Socket 939-based Athlon 64 processors
Chipset nForce4 SLI
Expansion slots 2 PCI Express x16
3 32-bit/33MHz PCI
Memory 4 184-pin DIMM sockets
Maximum of 4GB of unbuffered DDR400/333/266 SDRAM
Storage I/O Floppy disk
2 channels ATA/133 with RAID 0, 1, 0+1 support
2 channels Serial ATA with RAID 0, 1 ,0+1 support (via SiI 3132 chip)
4 channels Serial ATA with RAID 0, 1, 0+1 support
Audio 7.1-channel audio via Creative SB Live! 24-bit
Ports 1 PS/2 keyboard
1 PS/2 mouse
4 USB 2.0 ports with headers for 6 more
1 RJ45 10/100/1000 via nForce4 SLI
1 RJ45 10/100/1000 via Marvell 88E8053
1 Firewire (IEEE1394a) port via VIA VT6306 with headers for two more

1 analog line out
1 analog center/subwoofer out
1 analog rear left/rear right out
1 SPDIF out (optical)
1 SPDIF out (coaxial)
1 analog line in
1 analog mic in

BIOS Phoenix AwardBIOS
Bus speeds HyperTransport: 190, 200-400MHz in 1 MHz increments
DRAM: Auto, 100,133,166,200,210,233,250MHz
PCI-E: 100-145MHz in 1MHz increments
Voltages CPU: Startup, 0.825V to 1.350V in 0.025V increments. Extra CPU voltage in 3.3, 6.6, 9.9% increments
DDR: 2.5-2.85V in 0.05V increments
Chipset: 1.5-1.85V in 0.05V increments
Monitoring Voltage, fan status, and temperature monitoring
Fan speed control None

The nForce4 SLI chipset features 20 lanes of PCI Express, which the K8N Neo4 spreads across two physical PCI-E x16 slots, an auxiliary Gigabit Ethernet controller, and a Serial ATA RAID chip. Marvell’s 88E8053 GigE chip provides an alternative to the nForce4 SLI’s ActiveArmor-accelerated Gigabit Ethernet controller, while a Silicon Image 3132 Serial ATA RAID chip bolsters the nForce4’s extensive Serial ATA and RAID support. That still leaves two PCI Express lanes to spare, but curiously, the K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI doesn’t feature any PCI-E x1 slots. The market isn’t exactly flooded with PCI-E x1 cards, so a lack of x1 slots isn’t a deal-breaker. It would have been nice to get at least one, though.

The lack of PCI-E x1 slots would be a little easier to swallow if the K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI had more than just three PCI slots. At least one PCI slot must usually be sacrificed to escape the evils of onboard audio, but that might not be necessary on the K8N Neo. The board features a Creative CA0106-DAT audio chip that’s identical to the one used on the company’s SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit PCI sound card. This chip is capable of handling 24-bit audio streams at high sampling rates but lacks the hardware necessary to accelerate positional 3D audio. Still, it’s an upgrade over the nForce4 SLI’s basic AC’97 audio controller.

 
The board
MSI’s K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI is built on a black board, though the myriad of multicolored ports and slots ruins the effect a bit. The only “Platinum” color on the board is the MOSFET cooler to the left of the CPU socket. The last PCI slot is orange to differentiate it from the others; this is the slot MSI reserves for use with its own proprietary 802.11g and Bluetooth peripherals.

Unlike most of the SLI boards we’ve reviewed, the K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI does not use a secondary Molex connector for additional power. Both the 24-pin ATX power connector and auxiliary 12V connectors are well placed, with neither presenting a cable clutter problem for traditional ATX cases.

Most motherboard manufacturers secure their SLI paddles in place with metal tabs, but MSI uses a different approach. A single black plastic “hook” (seen in the center of the picture) fits over a tab in the card, keeping it locked into place. Moving the hook aside is easier than releasing the metal tabs found on most motherboards, although most users shouldn’t need to switch back and forth from SLI mode that often.

Unfortunately, the K8N Neo4’s DIMM slot placement and organization are a little tighter than we’d like. The slots are quite close to the CPU socket, which can cause clearance problems with larger aftermarket heat sinks. Packing all four DIMM slots together also limits the space between memory modules, leaving little room for air flow, especially when DIMMs with heat spreaders are installed. This may not be a problem at stock speeds or voltages, but it could limit overclocking and cause problems in warmer enclosures.

The bulk of the K8N Neo4’s internal connectivity options are clustered at the bottom right-hand side of the board. The two green headers on the far left are for Firewire hookups, and the pair of SATA ports next to them are connected to the Silicon Image 3132 Serial ATA RAID controller. Next, we see three USB headers (supporting up to six additional devices). The four SATA ports hooked directly to the NVIDIA chipset run down the right-hand side of the board.

Just above the stack of four Serial ATA ports, one can see a small button mounted on the board. This is the K8N Neo4’s CMOS reset button; rather than flipping a jumper to reset the CMOS, users need only to push the button.

In additional to internal connectivity options, the K8N Neo4’s back edge is brimming with external ports, including a pair of digital S/PDIF audio outputs, two Ethernet jacks, four USB ports, and one Firewire port. Those with older peripherals should also appreciate the board’s PS/2, serial, and parallel ports.

 
The BIOS
The K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI’s BIOS implementation is a perfect example of how motherboards with nearly identical BIOS capabilities and features can deliver vastly different experiences. At first glance, the Neo4’s BIOS looks pretty good—but the more time I spent with the board, the more problems, quirks, and omissions I found. Some of them are detailed below, while those that deal specifically with overclocking are covered later in the review.

We’ve started with a basic shot to show where the various areas of BIOS control are. MSI’s design splits overclocking control and hardware monitoring into two areas: Cell Menu and H/W Monitoring, respectively. Other than that, the menus are laid out in the standard Phoenix-AwardBIOS configuration. We’ll start with the Cell Menu, since MSI’s tweaking and overclocking options are reasonably strong, when they work.

The Cell Menu offers all sorts of options, including a High Performance Mode setting that can be toggled between Manual (the default) and Optimized modes. Unfortunately, neither the BIOS nor manual make any mention of the difference between these two modes. As far as we can tell, High Performance Mode sets the board’s Dynamic Overclocking level to “Sergeant” (a 3% CPU overclock), and changes the CPU VID from a startup value of 1.30V to 1.35V. There’s more going on behind the scenes, and we’ll elaborate in the overclocking section a little later in the review.

In addition to a cryptic High Performance Mode setting, the K8N Neo4’s BIOS also has a poorly explained Aggressive Timing switch. The motherboard manual states only that “This item allows you to enable or disable the memory clock. When [Enabled] is selected, the timing delay of memory will be shorten to increase the performance.” We measured memory latencies with this option enabled and disabled, with the following results:

When Aggressive Timing was disabled (the default setting), RAM timings were 2-2-2-5 with a Bank Cycle Time (Trc) of 11 and a DRAM Idle Timer of 16. When enabled, standard memory timings remained at 2-2-2-5, but Trc dropped from 11 clocks to 7, while the DRAM Idle Timer rose from 16 cycles to 256. Lower latencies tend to equal faster performance, but the DRAM Idle Timer is usually an exception. This setting refers to the maximum amount of time a memory page can be left open before the memory controller issues a pre-charge command. Leaving pages open longer can improve performance in cases where the memory controller issues another request for data from that page before the idle timer expires. Server performance is the one area where a higher DRAM Idle Timer may lower performance; the frequent random accesses in certain server workloads benefit most from a short DRAM Idle Timer.

If you have high-quality RAM, enabling Aggressive Timing shouldn’t cause a problem. We tested multiple sets of PC3200 rated for 2-2-2-5 latencies and saw no issues.

The K8N Neo4’s BIOS offers several dynamic overclocking options, each named after a military rank. We’ll discuss this feature more in our overclocking section, but there’s one oddity I wanted to mention now. We’ve already discussed how setting the High Performance Mode field to Enabled activates Dynamic Overclocking at Sergeant level (3%) while simultaneously raising CPU voltage from 1.30 to 1.35v on our Athlon 64 X2 4800+. Strangely, however, the voltage increase is only applied when High Performance Mode is activated. Manually setting the Dynamic Overclocking setting to Sergeant doesn’t raise the CPU VID.

While some of the Neo4’s BIOS settings are confusing, the BIOS does offer a standard array of memory timing options. The Neo4 Platinum/SLI doesn’t use a 1T command rate by default (the Aggressive Timing switch doesn’t affect this setting, either), so be sure to check the “1T/2T Memory Timing” switch when tweaking your memory.

The Neo4 Platinum/SLI’s H/W Monitor screen provides basic voltage, fan speed, and temperature information, but that’s it. The BIOS’s only nod toward fan control is the Smart CPU Fan Target setting, which lets users select the temperature at which the system’s CPU fan will begin to speed up. Unfortunately, the fan speed ramping wasn’t aggressive enough to keep our Athlon 64 X2 4800+ from crashing under load, even with a 40C temperature target. MSI will have to offer lower CPU temperature targets or more aggressive fan speed ramping to make the feature useful.

 

nTune support
nTune support is one of the K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI’s bright spots. The board supports nTune’s monitoring capabilities as well as the program’s tweaking functions.


nTune’s memory and overclocking interface

In addition to manipulating HyperTransport and PCI Express bus speeds, nTune can be used to change the HT multiplier and a number of memory timings. Users can also overclock GeForce graphics cards through the same interface.


nTune’s hardware monitoring screen

nTune’s monitoring capabilities are less widely supported, so it’s nice to see MSI giving the app access to CPU and GPU temperatures, CPU and memory voltages, and various clock speeds. Users can also log nTune’s output to a text file, which can be handy.

Surprisingly, the K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI also supports nTune’s fan speed and voltage control options. Support for these features is rare in the wild, but given the flakiness of MSI’s own software, it’s good to have an alternative. Voltage adjustments are limited to the CPU and memory and only the CPU fan speed can be controlled, though.

 

Our testing methods
We compared the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI’s performance to both the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe and the Abit Fatal1ty AN8 SLI. All tests were run three times and results were averaged.

Processor Athlon 64 4800+ 2.4GHz
System bus HyperTransport 16-bit/1GHz
Motherboard MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum / SLI Abit Fatal1ty AN8 SLI Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
BIOS revision 3.7 (09/09/2005) Abit SLI BIOS 17 Asus BIOS 1011
North bridge NVIDIA nForce4 SLI NVIDIA nForce4 SLI NVIDIA nForce4 SLI
South bridge
Chipset drivers ForceWare 6.66 ForceWare 6.66 ForceWare 6.66
Memory size 1GB (2 DIMMs) 1GB (2 DIMMs) 1GB (2 DIMMs)
Memory type  Ultra XL ULT31720 PC3200 DDR at 400MHz
CAS latency (CL) 2 2 2
RAS to CAS delay (tRCD) 2 2 2
RAS precharge (tRP) 2 2 2
Cycle time (tRAS) 5 5 5
Hard drives Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GB SATA 150
Audio SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit nForce4 MCP04/ALC850 nForce4 MCP04/ALC850
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT with ForceWare 78.01 drivers
OS Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS updates Service Pack 2, DirectX 9.0c

Both test systems were powered by an Enermax EG565P-VE power-supply.

We used the following versions of our test applications:

The test systems’ Windows desktop was set at 1280×1024 in 32-bit color at an 85Hz screen refresh rate. Vertical refresh sync (vsync) was disabled for all tests. The standard 3D gaming tests were done in 640x480x32 with detail levels set to Medium. In order to accurately test the increased potential of SLI, however, we’ve also included a set of “SLI Gaming” tests. All SLI gaming tests were run in 1600x1200x32, with detail levels set to maximum (or “High”, in Doom 3’s case). A single GeForce 6800GT was used for standard gaming tests; SLI gaming tests were run with two identical 6800GT reference cards.

All the tests and methods we employed are publicly available and reproducible. If you have questions about our methods, hit our forums to talk with us about them.

 

Memory performance

We ran our memory tests with MSI’s “Aggressive Timing” mode de-activated; this may explain the K8N’s slight lag compared to the Asus and Abit products.

 

WorldBench

Abit leads here, but by less than 1%. The MSI and Asus boards are tied for second place.

Gaming

In our standard gaming tests, we see the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI consistently behind the lead motherboard by a margin of 1-3%.

 

SLI gaming performance
All of our SLI gaming performance tests were run in 1600x1200x32, with a combination of AA or AF enabled, as indicated in the graph.

The MSI board does well in our SLI tests, but there’s little difference in performance between the boards.

 

Cinebench rendering

The K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI is less than 1% slower than the Asus and Abit solutions in Cinebench’s software OpenGL and Cinema 4D shading tests, equally fast in the rendering test, and 1.6% faster in the hardware OpenGL shading test.

Sphinx speech recognition

Sphinx is heavily dependent on memory latency and memory controller performance, and the Neo4 turns in the fastest Intel compiler score by a hair. MSI does have the slowest performance with the Microsoft compiler, though.

 

Audio performance
We initially tested the K8N Neo4’s integrated Creative SoundBlaster Live! with the audio driver that shipped with the board (5.12.1.353). This particular driver is more than a year old, so when our initial test results were less than stellar, we upgraded to Creative’s latest driver (5.12.1.512), dated 7/12/2005. Since we already had results from the .353 driver, we’ve included both sets for comparison.

We were able to test the SoundBlaster drivers out to 32 buffers, while the ALC850-based Abit and Asus boards would only go to 24. Creative’s 5.12.1.512 drivers demand more CPU time than the older .353s in nearly every test. CPU utilization for both drivers is generally higher than that of the ALC850-based boards, as well.

Audio quality
I ran all audio tests using RightMark’s loop-back method. Analog output ports were used on all systems. To keep things simple, I’ve translated RightMark’s word-based quality scale to numbers. Higher scores reflect better audio quality, and the scale tops out at 6, which corresponds to an “Excellent” rating in RightMark.

If our RMAA results are any indication, the extra CPU cycles that the .512 driver sucks down aren’t going to waste. The MSI board’s RMAA performance with the .353 driver is more or less equal to that of the Abit and Asus boards, but the .512 driver improves performance nearly across the board. Personally, I’ll happily give up 2-3% CPU utilization for a measurable increase in audio quality.

 

ATA performance
ATA performance was tested with a Western Digital WD800JB hard drive using HD Tach’s 8MB zone setting.

There are no surprises when it comes to ATA performance. CPU utilization is a little lower on the MSI board, but still within HD Tach’s +/- 2% margin for error in that test.

 

Serial ATA performance
Moving to Serial ATA, we tested performance with a Maxtor DiamondMax 10 SATA hard drive. This is the same class drive as our OS was installed upon, but we used an entirely separate drive for testing. We tested both the Silicon Image 3132 and NVIDIA nForce4 SLI Serial ATA controllers.

When compared with its nForce4 SLI SATA controller, the Neo4’s Silicon Image 3132 is roughly 7% slower in burst read performance and a whopping 15% slower in average write performance. The nForce4 controller is the faster option overall, but the SiI 3132 is still more than fast enough for additional storage.

 

USB performance
Our USB transfer speed tests were conducted with a generic USB 2.0/Firewire enclosure from CompUSA, with the same Western Digital WD800JB drive we used earlier.

The K8N Neo4 uses marginally more CPU power, but delivers slightly higher average read and average write speeds

Firewire performance
Our Firewire transfer speed tests were conducted with the same external enclosure and hard drive as our USB transfer speed tests. Both the Asus and Abit boards rely on a Texas Instruments chip for Firewire support while the MSI board uses VIA’s VT6306.

There’s little performance difference between the Neo4’s Firewire implementation and that of the Abit and Asus boards.

 

Ethernet performance
We evaluated Ethernet performance using the NTttcp tool from Microsoft’s Windows DDK. The docs say this program “provides the customer with a multi-threaded, asynchronous performance benchmark for measuring achievable data transfer rate.”

We used the following command line options on the server machine:

ntttcps -m 4,0,192.168.1.25 -a

..and the same basic thing on each of our test systems acting as clients:

ntttcpr -m 4,0,192.168.1.25 -a

Our server was a dual Xeon system based on IWILL’s DH800 motherboard with two Xeon 3.2 GHz chips (533MHz front-side bus, Hyper-Threading enabled) and CSA-attached Gigabit Ethernet. A crossover CAT5e cable was used to connect the server to each system.

The nForce4 boards were tested with the NVIDIA Firewall and Jumbo Frames disabled. Active Armor was enabled where applicable, and the Windows Firewall was disabled on both the NVIDIA and Marvell solutions.

The Neo4’s nForce4-based Gigabit Ethernet controller offers comparable throughput and CPU utilization to the Abit and Asus boards. However, its Marvell 88E8053 GigE controller trails in both tests.

 

Automatic Overclocking
Typically, the overclocking section of a review focuses on manual overclocking, either via BIOS or in Windows. MSI, however, has made a point of pushing its automatic overclocking technology, which it calls DOT (Dynamic Overclocking Technology). The manual describes DOT as follows:

Dynamic Overclocking Technology is the automatic overclocking function included in the MSI’s newly developed CoreCell Technology. It is designed to detect the load balance of CPU while running programs, and to adjust the best CPU frequency automatically. When the motherboard detects CPU is running programs, it will speed up CPU automatically to make the program run smoother and faster.

The next page of the manual describes Dynamic Overclocking Technology (DOT) as more stable than manual overclocking, and CoreCell itself is one of the buzzwords MSI uses to market its higher-end product lines. Given the company’s decision to focus on automatic overclocking as a feature, it’s worth examining separately from manual overclocking. For reference purposes, here’s the Cell menu BIOS screen again:

There are two ways to enable DOT in the BIOS. If the High Performance Mode field is changed to Optimized, the Dynamic Overclocking field automatically changes to “Sergeant” (a 3% CPU overclock), and the CPU VID jumps from 1.30V to 1.35V. Users can also enable DOT by leaving the High Performance Mode option at Manual and picking one of six ranks in the Dynamic Overclocking field. Ranks range from Private to Commander, and overclock the CPU by 1% to 11%. There are a couple of problems, though. High Performance Mode cheats, and most DOT levels tend to cause Windows to hard-lock.

The screenshot below is a cropped version of the nTune shot from earlier in the review; it shows video core and memory clock speeds with High Performance Mode set to manual.

Note that core and memory clocks are set to 350MHz and 1000MHz, respectively. These are the 6800GT’s default settings. Now, watch what happens when we turn on High Performance Mode:

Activating High Performance Mode not only boosts CPU voltage and activates DOT at 3%, it also secretly increases the GPU core and memory clocks by 7%. MSI isn’t the first or only motherboard manufacturer to try this sort of trick, but that doesn’t make it right. Hidden overclocks of this sort aren’t just annoying attempts to achieve higher benchmark scores; they can also contribute to system instability. Motherboards shouldn’t be overclocking other system components without a user’s explicit consent.

As for DOT, it’s only semi-functional. The Private and Sergeant settings function as advertised, increasing CPU speed by 1% and 3%, respectively, when the CPU is under sustained load for approximately 30 seconds. However, the Captain, Colonel, General, and Commander (5%, 7%, 9%, and 11% overclock) settings often caused our test bed to lock as soon as they engaged, even when we lowered the base CPU multiplier and adjusted CPU, memory, and chipset voltages manually. MSI directed us to their global website where the 3.8 BIOS is already available (though it’s strangely absent from Live Update and the US site), but the new BIOS didn’t resolve any of the problems we were encountering.

Manual overclocking
While DOT was plagued with issues, the K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI’s manual overclocking performance was decent. We were able to reach a maximum synchronous HyperTransport and memory speed of 250MHz, with an HT multiplier of 4x. The HT link wasn’t very stable above 250MHz, even with a lower memory clock and lower CPU multiplier. DDR timings were set at 2.5-4-4-8 with a 1T command rate and 2.85V, which isn’t bad for PC3200 DDR SDRAM. We’ve run a couple of benchmarks on our overclocked configuration, and compared them with performance at stock speeds and more aggressive 2-2-2-5 memory timings.

Turning up the clocks does improve performance, but not by much over a stock rig running with more aggressive memory timings.

 

Conclusions
There are plenty of nForce4 SLI motherboards on the market, and some can even match the K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI’s generous array of Firewire, Ethernet, and Serial ATA RAID peripherals. You won’t find any others equipped with a SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit, though. The board’s integrated audio is unique, and although it doesn’t provide hardware acceleration for 3D audio, it’s a definite improvement over typical integrated audio solutions.

Unfortunately, there are problems with another of the Neo4’s unique features. CoreCell and its associated software both appear to be buggy, and DOT’s stealth graphics card overclocking is inexcusable. If motherboard manufacturers are going to incorporate “automatic” overclocking features in the name of performance enhancement, they have an obligation to make end-users aware of precisely what settings are being adjusted. To be fair, most of CoreCell’s issues can be avoided by staying away from dynamic overclocking and MSI’s bundled software. That won’t improve the BIOS’s relatively weak fan speed control options, though.

Overall, the K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI has a strong feature set and competitive performance, but issues with CoreCell and limited BIOS options undermine the board. The Neo4’s availability is limited, anyway, with MSI set to replace it with a new nForce4 SLI offering and a board based on the nForce4 SLI X16 chipset. Let’s hope those boards resolve the issues we encountered while retaining the K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI’s unique features. 

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