Comments for: AMD displays first DirectX 11 graphics processor

#36. Posted at 04:15 AM on Jun 4th 2009, Edited at 04:16 AM on Jun 4th 2009

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pogsnet

nVidia adopted DX10.1 late but still on laptop/mobile version. (they say its unimportant yet they do it)

now ATI is ahead on innovation while Nvidia is just pure muscle

#36, NVidia never adopted Dx 10.1. : Meadows (#40) «

#40, But they are going to. Read the Shortbread of the day yet... : Flying Fox (#42) «

#42, Well, if so, then Assassin's Creed will need to be pat... : Meadows (#43) «

#43, They don't have to, u can read the comments to the ... : Flying Fox (#45) «

#45, I will, can't be here 24/7 though. : Meadows (#46) «

#46, read the short bread, nyahaha! Upcoming Nvidia... : pogsnet (#66) «

#34. Posted at 01:51 AM on Jun 4th 2009

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billyconnection

You know what would really piss me the hell off...?

DX11 exclusively in Windows 7, just like DX10 was for Vista. I want improvements without having to upgrade all my hardware and software at the same time. Yeeesh, I might as well get a console, or a Mac.....god forbid!

#34, that's what monopoly means : pogsnet (#37) «

#37, Line of the day! billyconnection, this is the price you pa... : stmok (#41) «

#41, Awesome! We don't need you. :) : Grigory (#47) «

#47, Who says I was to be needed? :) : stmok (#59) «

#59, Good point. :) : Grigory (#60) «

#41, sooo if cant play games with the newest graphics, you ... : shaq_mobile (#64) «

#34, Windows Vista and DirectX 10 introduced a new driver model. ... : JustAnEngineer (#39) «

#34, ...which is precisely why Microsoft isn't doing it. DX11 wil... : UberGerbil (#48) «

#48, As much as I like nVidia, they were the reason DirectX 10... : Meadows (#49) «

#49, Can you please cite sources for your info? Do you reali... : factor (#50) «

#50, Probably. I've heard this from at least two IT work... : Meadows (#51) «

#50, It might have been a small step but have you see ho... : Fighterpilot (#52) «

#50, Yea, the list is very short but there is definite i... : Lans (#58) «

#58, I completely agree. The features are great and t... : factor (#62) «

#62, Speculation and slow news days I suppose? Just... : Lans (#65) «

#48, Thanks for the info. UberGerbil. I'll take your word for ... : billyconnection (#57) «

#34, DX10 for Vista supported DX9 hardware without a problem, and... : WaltC (#63) «

#61. Posted at 10:36 AM on Jun 5th 2009

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MadManOriginal

I'm really looking forward to the ~$100 DX11 part from AMD. Given their recent history at that pice point, the 4830 and then 4770, it ought to be a killer for price/performance. Maybe we'll even see a Radeon 9800-like era where a card lasts a good long time with console-itis in PC games and the next round of consoles not due out for a few years it could happen. One difference is that even fairly budget cards will last.

#54. Posted at 06:13 PM on Jun 4th 2009

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UberGerbil

I don't want to get into this, but if you're going to bat at rumors, the rumor/assertion/conspiracy theory is that DX11 (not 10.1) was what DX10 was supposed to be before nVidia forced MS to dilute it. As described by Mr Anti-nVidia, late of the Inq, here:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137331/a-look-nvidia-gt30...

DX10.1 indeed includes some of the optimizations that are present in 11, which is why it improves performance (beyond any additional advantages certain hardware might have with 10.1).

#54, Do you seriously believe that crap on the inq? /rolleyes/ : rythex (#55) «

#55, There's a debate going on in this thread involving this. ... : UberGerbil (#56) «

#53. Posted at 06:00 PM on Jun 4th 2009

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BrynS

#50 A key thing to keep in mind is that although many of these incremental API changes appear quite trivial, in many instances they invariably require architectural re-workings that are anything but. At least that is the impression I get from following some of the chatter on Beyond3D over the past few years.

ATI was able to transition to 10.1 so quickly because most of the groundwork was laid in R600. Presumably if NVIDIA could have made minor revisions to attain 10.1 compliance they would have done so by now instead of regurgitating the venerable G80 for the past 30+ months.

Who knows, they could pull another G80 out of the hat for DX11 and it would be about time too.

#1. Posted at 10:37 AM on Jun 3rd 2009

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valrandir

What a wonderful convergence of new technologies coming around October -- Windows 7, Lynnfield, and DX11 GPUs

#1, Sounds like new computer time to me. : khands (#2) «

#2, You betatest, let us know. : indeego (#5) «

#5, Alright, when I manage to win a few extra grand, I'll ... : khands (#7) «

#7, You can always hope for the best in the Christmas g... : Flying Fox (#26) «

#26, Did that last year... no go. : khands (#44) «

#5, I thought Vista was the beta test. : ew (#27) «

#27, And Core i7. :-) : OneArmedScissor (#29) «

#15. Posted at 02:04 PM on Jun 3rd 2009

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Code:[M]ayhem

And DX11 will be an even bigger over-hyped scam than 10!

#15, Guess who is to blame for Dx 10. : Meadows (#17) «

#17, The New World Order? : MadManOriginal (#20) «

#20, NVidia. : Meadows (#22) «

#20, nWo 4 Life : 5150 (#23) «

#23, hmm yeah but no, I'm pretty sure you're thinking of... : MadManOriginal (#32) «

#32, the illuminati? : pogsnet (#38) «

#15, I thought it was always considered an incremental improvemen... : mesyn191 (#18) «

#18, This, and DX10/9 cards will still benefit from DX11. : khands (#19) «

#15, Mmm..No. You are confusing this technology with physX. I'm a... : asdsa (#21) «

#15, Maybe since DX11 sounds like Windows 7 and probably Vista on... : Lans (#31) «

#31, I think he's being a bit of a whiney baby. It's like peop... : MadManOriginal (#33) «

#35. Posted at 03:45 AM on Jun 4th 2009

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ssway

Mmmmmmm...imagine those being zombies and this being an survival action L4D/Dawn of the dead MMO.

#3. Posted at 10:42 AM on Jun 3rd 2009

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Game_boy

It could just be a shrink and refit of the existing HD4xxx series. That would explain the very small die size (estimated at 180mm^2 from images).

But I don't see Nvidia's 40nm anywhere (AMD had it in March), so it might not matter.

#3, Considering the HD4000s were already halfway to DX11 with th... : MadManOriginal (#4) «

#4, Except the way AMD did it is not the way that DX11 wants ... : khands (#6) «

#4, Not to mention, DX10.1 : ish718 (#11) «

#11, Dx 10.1 is pretty much what 10 should've been, but nVi... : Meadows (#12) «

#11, Exactly what I meant, because some of the stuff that's... : MadManOriginal (#16) «

#3, It's also possible that this first DX11/40nm GPU will be a m... : FuturePastNow (#24) «

#24, I think you are all pretty much right. Wasn't the new ATI ... : OneArmedScissor (#30) «

#28. Posted at 06:29 PM on Jun 3rd 2009

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albundy

i guess this is why gfx cards are so cheap these days. glad i waited!

#8. Posted at 11:44 AM on Jun 3rd 2009

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poulpy

These videos are pretty nifty but I'd have liked to see some more of the Cinema technology they demoed after the 4800 release (aka raytracing on AMD GPUs). Especially with Intel talking more and more about Larabee.

Can't find the official presentation but Google returns quite a few links: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/

#8, I don't know, I wasn't impressed at all. For one thing, I co... : Mourmain (#10) «

#10, Found the link again: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/... : poulpy (#25) «

#13. Posted at 01:57 PM on Jun 3rd 2009

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CheetoPet

random thought of the day - windows task manager needs to add a chart for the GPU usage. Not that its practical, I just like moving bar charts that might mean something.

#13, GPUZ can show and log GPU usage for most modern GPUs. TR sho... : valrandir (#14) «

#9. Posted at 11:59 AM on Jun 3rd 2009

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danny e.

it will be around the time for a whole new system build for me.. cept I might try to hold off till Jan