Here is an idea, wait until the darn silicon is in customer's hands.

I also don't think Tech-Report should be publishing The Inquirer's news. It's all but sensationalist "news", especially in regards to NVIDIA, simply because they don't invite them to events like the Editor's day.
The Inq pulled the same stunt before G80 was released, when they said R600 was going to beat it by a fair margin. We know how that turned out...

I would say Inq is not totally right but there are some points where it really makes sense.

NVIDIA is pursuing brute force on its GPU lines to make "new" products. This strategy really worked for NV40 and G80 line of products but I believe at least a significant percent of G80 users were disappointed when a 250$ card came and blew the dust out of their 400$+ cards. When 8800gt was selling for 250$ G80 based cards were still over 300$ and more and performance was on par with 8800GT in most cases.

AMD on the other hand learned its lesson not to spend its effort on huge GPU but to create cheap and efficient GPUs. RV670 is a very nice GPU imo. When combined in CF or X2 configurations pricewise and performance wise it is pretty nice. I bet AMD will follow this strategy for a long period and produce X2 products fast when they need the crown.

I'm a little irritated at NVs foot-dragging on driver updates for '8800' G92 owners when the G92 is used in 9-series cards too.

The site also claims Nvidia will attempt to deceive reviewers by announcing lower-than-actual prices

when was the last time a next-generation pc component at launch came out at MSRP without any price increase in the follow days/weeks?
seriously, the guy seems to be complaining about how nvidia will set a price you won't find at retailers for weeks/months

Does anyone remember when Nvidia were going around being cocky saying "we're going to open up a can of whoop-ass on intel" and what not?

Well I believe it was damage himself that said Nvidia probably wouldn't go around saying that stuff if they didn't have something pretty awesome hardware to back it up (sorry for the indirect quote). I think we should just wait and see, but trust that the engineers for both teams (who get paid by the truck load) will be putting their best feet forward.
I must say, I'm pretty excited.

come to think of it, 182 watts isn't that bad, because AMD's 4870 will be around 160 i'm guessing?

The INQ has makes no bones about their reporting style. Before Mike left for his new site he routinely said that he got his info from a source after a few drinks at a pub.

Sure they report on rumors but somebody has to stir the pot or we'd have very little to talk about.

Even people within a company are often wrong about their OWN products. If your source is wrong then your story will be wrong. Heck Bill Gates is often wrong about products from Microshaft - anbody bashing his reporting?

And everyone puts some kind of spin on their reports - be it CNN, FOX, BBC or even ESPN for that matter.

funny thing - whenever there is a nvidia, geforce or gt200 topic, it immediatley gets a lot of attention :D

#62...Dang, beat me to it!!

My wife listen to BBC world service when she can't sleep. It's like NPR with regularly updated cricket scores. And much more self-conscious as a news organization and better, really, than any US-based cable news service for ACTUALLY REPORTING NEWS. Sorry the Inquirer isn't.

Here's to healthy competition on next gen cards...though I won't be participating this go around.

The site also claims Nvidia will attempt to deceive reviewers

While the Inq will attempt to deceive people into actually believing any of the the crap they post.

I really do think it hurts TR's integrity reposting anything from the Inq.

It's like CNN posting stories from the Enquirer.

Why doesn't Nvidia release GDDR5 on G92 while on a die shrink? That would essentially compete with 4850 at least without doing anything drastic to the board. Maybe even competitive with 4870.

Think 3870 vs 9600gt where 9600gt has weaker shader but bigger texture fillrate and equal bandwidth. G94 32 tmu 64 SP vs 16 tmu on 3870 320SP.

Think 8800gts on GDDR5 vs 4850 or 4870. Exact same situation. G92 64 tmu 128SP vs 32 tmu 480SP on a 4800 series.

Still have the speed crown with 260 and 280 gtx and charge arm and a leg like usual.

Am I the only one that feels the GT200 is priced way out of the range any reasonable person would be willing to spend? I just spend $100 on a new graphics card and it is quite nice. I can't conceive of any possible improvement that would justify spending $350 more.

That's great news that Nvidia gets bitch slapped for a change. It's ATI/AMD's turn to shine. Hopefully they pull their new generation out well.

Well, it looks like it's going to be either 4870 or staying on my trusty 8800GT. There are too many sources waving around 'OMFG WATTS' signs for GT200 to be a cool and light chip, and I didn't expect it to be anyways. NV seems to go in cycles, and it's overdue for a stinker from them; the FX5800 keeps coming to mind for no obvious reason.

The Inq clearly believes no one else aspires to any greater credibility than their own. I suppose that makes it easier for them to call what they do "journalism" and sleep at night.

182w?¡¡¡, my fridge uses less power to work...

Ironic that the Inq is accusing other sites of lacking journalistic integrity.

They're a bunch of hacks. Fsck them and their misplaced pomposity.

thats alot of wattage. hopefully this will be to amd's advantage.

Semi-insane rants, f.u.d., and personal grudges are the rule rather than the exception at the Inquirer. They've gone to the extent of deploring the "hypocritical worms" working at nVidia (because nVidia won't accept them at its events!) and prophesying the crash 'n burn of nVidia's GPUs at the hands of ATI's forthcoming line, for the past three generations now (didn't happen, but that didn't stop them from proclaiming the end of nVidian "worms"... next time around).

In this light, I have to take exception to a qualitative site like Techreport reproducing news from the Inquirer. It makes as much sense as if the Economist, Washington Post or NPR suddenly started to post stories from Fox and Indymedia.

Geez, I was going to get a Radeon finally ... lured by DDR5 and the promise of cheaper prices and similar performance; but now I'm thinking this GT280 is a real beast and will dominate the R 4870. To a real gaming rig nut, this title looks like "GT200 to be big, bad, ownage; so good that we need to work on cutting the power requirements ASAP".

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After reading many articles by Charlie it seems that:

#1 Charlie slants any story about nVidia to the negative and any story about AMD/ATI to the positive.

#2 Charlie in the past was slighted by nVidia and thus the FUD campaign against them.

I imagine that about 24 P4C's worth of transistors running at ~600MHz WOULD generate a fair bit of heat.

Hmmm, the power consumption figures were already quite nuts, but that is a huge die to be making, especially on a standard process. Gotta say that AMD might have a good round this time if they execute well.

"That's clearly not the case around here"

nice to know there's quality journalism going on somewhere =)

Tell em Cyril.
They should know better then to paint all tech sites with the same brush.