Comments for: Radeon HD 4850, 4870 due next month?

#98. Posted at 12:41 PM on May 2nd 2008

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kahuuna

Benchmarks look sweet!

http://forums.legitreviews.com/about15370.html

#19. Posted at 12:20 PM on Apr 23rd 2008, Edited at 12:23 PM on Apr 23rd 2008

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Sylvanus

The question I keep coming back to: Why would I get a graphics chip from anyone other than Nvidia?

Main reasons to stay with Nvidia:
- PhsyX
- More compatible with games than ATI
(Performance is variable although it's stayed in Nvidia's camp for the most part recently)

More devs still use Nvidia solutions. ATI still has issues (check the Cat 8.4 release notes if you care to).
I recently had an HD 3870 in my system and wound up having issues in Tabula Rasa (fixed according to release notes), City of Heroes (doubtful if it'll ever get fixed) and a few other games. It was louder than my 8800GT as well.

I like ATI. I always have. From a gamer's perspective, it just doesn't make sense to own one. I really really want to have a 4870, but the items above keep me holding back and simply waiting for Nvidia's 10.1 solution. So, I'll stick with an 8800GT for now.

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#33, It was in the shortbread a while back... http://www.cus... : grantmeaname (#46) «

#19, Use your existing nVidia card for PhysX and use the ATI card... : 0g1 (#50) «

#50, Well, I went from 2-8800GT's in SLI to 2-3870's in CF, bo... : BKA (#56) «

#56, I'm extremely interested in Crossfire. Which board did... : Sylvanus (#59) «

#59, I'm extremely interested in Crossfire. Which board ... : BKA (#66) «

#66, Thank you very much for the info. What's not ref... : Sylvanus (#68) «

#66, Can't get higher than 3.2 stable? : 0g1 (#69) «

#69, Can't get higher than 3.2 stable? 3.6ish was ... : BKA (#79) «

#19, Why would YOU buy ATI over Nvidia? Easy, because you bought ... : holophrastic (#55) «

#55, A typical Photoshop app will use bilinear interpolation a... : 0g1 (#58) «

#55, Excellent write-up. I use my computer for much more than ... : Sylvanus (#61) «

#55, "Remember when your sound card became a modem because som... : TheTechReporter (#87) «

#87, Random gibberish. /flame ;) : Sylvanus (#88) «

#87, my point was simply that my pentium 90 had only a sing... : holophrastic (#97) «

#19, So.. are you a fanboy or a troll? Or are you really that dep... : crabjokeman (#60) «

#60, Neither. I want an AT/Vidia card. ;) I happily owned a 98... : Sylvanus (#62) «

#19, Better driver support from ATI/AMD. Better multi-monitor supp... : JustAnEngineer (#63) «

#63, Definitely better multi monitor support. And monthly driv... : flip-mode (#64) «

#63, yup plus i think ati(amd) products LOOK BETTER in games t... : 2_tyma (#71) «

#71, The 8800 series is superior now because of angle indep... : 0g1 (#89) «

#19, Not to mention the GPU that melts : pogsnet (#72) «

#19, 1. Generally better prices than Nvidia 2. I've had far less i... : Kaleid (#73) «

#73, 'voice coil whining??' What the heck is that? I'm trying t... : MethylONE (#77) «

#77, Under certain conditions the card begins to make stran... : Kaleid (#78) «

#78, I had a little whining on am 8800GTX I owned at one... : MadManOriginal (#80) «

#78, Enjoy your near-ultrasonic hearing range while you'... : ludi (#82) «

#77, For the record, I think he meant to say inductor. Voic... : ew (#83) «

#83, I'm an audio geek so I know what 'voice coils' are.... : MethylONE (#91) «

#83, Actually, the electromagnetic head positioner in a ... : ludi (#94) «

#94, Guess you could call a toilet paper tube with co... : MethylONE (#95) «

#96. Posted at 12:44 AM on Apr 27th 2008

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ish718

Lots of conclusive statements on here with no actual facts, lets wait for the card to be released then we can act as judges.

#34. Posted at 02:06 PM on Apr 23rd 2008, Edited at 02:11 PM on Apr 23rd 2008

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Rza79

If you check the 'open issues' parts of these pdf's, you'll see that nvidia's list is as least as long:

http://uk.download.nvidia.com/Windows/174.74/174.74_WinXP_GeForce_R...
http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/169.21/169.21_WinXP_Forceware...
http://ru.download.nvidia.com/Windows/169.25/169.25_WinVista_Forcew...

You're talking about the last 4 years. Do you include the fantastic Vista drivers nVidia had a year ago? You know, the ones that caused the most crashes in Vista of all drivers in the world.

Now seriously, i'm running a computer business for the last 10 years and ATI & nVidia both have their pluses and minuses at a driver level. When talking about driver support, you can't be as black & white as you're being.

PS: Reply to Sylvanus - don't know what went wrong!

#34, I know you meant your post to be elsewhere. I've been buildi... : Sylvanus (#36) «

#36, i've been building systems for the past 50 years and play... : danny e. (#51) «

#36, I don't know, maybe its just me.. but is there anyone els... : bjm (#53) «

#53, If you look at what I've written, I clearly don't say ... : Sylvanus (#54) «

#53, Add me to that list. I have never had a single problem... : d0g_p00p (#92) «

#53, I've had a few problems here and there, but nothing th... : ludi (#93) «

#11. Posted at 11:33 AM on Apr 23rd 2008

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BoBzeBuilder

Bah. Its going to suck, already obvious from the specs and the price tag. Basicaly a 3870 with 480 spu's and higher clocks, making this maybe as fast as a 8800GTX.

#11, i agree, its obvious with ddr5 and 1 gig for 350, is competi... : donkeycrock (#15) «

#15, Hahaha, you bought a 2900XT. Did you not consult your fel... : BoBzeBuilder (#22) «

#11, they did double the number of TMUs. that was supposedly the ... : willyolio (#23) «

#23, the reason for buying it was that it was 300 from newegg.... : donkeycrock (#24) «

#11, This is AMD, they aren't trying to make a faster card. They ... : holophrastic (#57) «

#57, What efficiency? Ever since the 6800/X800 days, ATI has b... : BoBzeBuilder (#76) «

#11, I think its obvious looking at the specs that its going to r... : 0g1 (#70) «

#70, I don't think AMD will go back to ROP AA, they're likely ... : MadManOriginal (#74) «

#74, I didnt know that. Also, I dont understand how shaders... : 0g1 (#75) «

#75, Go to http://www.beyond3d.com and read. You will le... : wingless (#81) «

#81, I went there and had a look at this: http://www.... : 0g1 (#90) «

#84. Posted at 12:26 PM on Apr 24th 2008

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provoko

Looks interesting, can't wait to see how it performs.

What's with all the flames? Patience people.

#7. Posted at 10:51 AM on Apr 23rd 2008

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Dahak

Fudzilla claims the information is in error. According to Fudo the cards will have 512 bit memory interface and may be as fast as 2500 MHz GDDR5.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6...

#7, I really doubt 2500mhz which will be 5000mhz effective is ev... : toyota (#20) «

#7, Fudzilla is full of crap. : 0g1 (#48) «

#7, Yea, I'm calling BS on that. I think ATi learned their exces... : MadManOriginal (#65) «

#7, Mis-reply. Apologies. : Sylvanus (#67) «

#1. Posted at 10:24 AM on Apr 23rd 2008, Edited at 10:25 AM on Apr 23rd 2008

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Jigar

If it is faster in terms of clock to clock speed then Nvidia's top end offering, than i must say Nivida is going to get a big fight from AMD..

I hope it is..

#1, AMD needs more than higher clock frequencies to beat NVIDIA'... : Silus (#5) «

#5, Yeah, AMD's 1050Mhz shader clock is no way near the Mhz o... : 0g1 (#52) «

#35. Posted at 02:10 PM on Apr 23rd 2008

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Rza79

Cyril, why don't you mention that the shader domain on the 4870 is running 1050Mhz and 850Mhz on the 4850?

#35, Because it doesn't show up in the translated version? : 0g1 (#49) «

#41. Posted at 03:01 PM on Apr 23rd 2008

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ish718

ATI vs. Nvidia
Such a highly debatable topic.
Hard to compare by specs since ati and nvidia cards have different architectures.

#41, Stop giving me déjà vus! : Grigory (#47) «

#45. Posted at 04:08 PM on Apr 23rd 2008

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flip-mode

I don't understand how ATI can be selling ANY 3870s or 3850s at their current prices. A 9600gt can be had for less than a 3870!

#29. Posted at 01:42 PM on Apr 23rd 2008

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PrincipalSkinner

Very good news indeed if it is true. I just got 9600GT 'cause of its price/performance ratio though I was sure I would be getting ATI again. Here in Serbia 9600GT is 130 euros while 3870 is 150+. Math was so simple on that one :).

#29, AFAIK it's the same thing all around Europe. The 8800GT and ... : gtoulouzas (#44) «

#42. Posted at 03:08 PM on Apr 23rd 2008

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ish718

ATI vs. Nvidia
Such a highly debatable topic.
Hard to compare by specs since ati and nvidia cards have different architectures.

#42, this post brought to you by jacob two two : DrDillyBar (#43) «

#6. Posted at 10:51 AM on Apr 23rd 2008

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Mavrick88

I guess they didn't mention anything about the HD 4870 X2?

#6, They probably won't announce this until the next gen nVidia ... : Disco (#9) «

#9, It doesn't benefit them much if they wait to announce the... : Jive (#12) «

#12, Why? : ludi (#14) «

#14, If the report is correct, and the cards are suppose... : Jive (#21) «

#21, But a card like that, released into a vaccuum, h... : ludi (#32) «

#18. Posted at 12:18 PM on Apr 23rd 2008

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Forge

Radeon HD 3870 MHz.

I call shenanigans.

#17. Posted at 12:16 PM on Apr 23rd 2008

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mackintire

Nordichardware has already verified that most of the info posted on that German Website is false.

The only possible truth is that the Radeon 4870 release has been moved up 2 weeks. There are others hinting that, THAT may be true.

#16. Posted at 12:14 PM on Apr 23rd 2008

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bogbox

This is how is gone be:
Radeon HD 4870 X2 (2 x RV770) - speed 1050/3600 MHz, 1 GB / 2 GB GDDR5, TDP 250 W, price 499 USD;
Radeon HD 4870 (RV770) - frecvenţe de 1050/4400 MHz, 1 GB GDDR5, TDP 150 W, price 299 USD;
Radeon HD 4850 (RV770) - 850/3600 MHz, 512 MB GDDR5, TDP 120 W, price 249 USD;

#2. Posted at 10:26 AM on Apr 23rd 2008

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enzia35

"Radeon HD 4850 with lower-clocked GDDR3 memory and specifications otherwise similar to the GDDR5-based 4850."

Go from GDDR5 to GDDR3? What about GDDR4?

#2, At least a couple of the memory manufacturers (eg Qimonda) d... : UberGerbil (#13) «

#10. Posted at 11:10 AM on Apr 23rd 2008

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2_tyma

lets see some crysis performance.

#3. Posted at 10:29 AM on Apr 23rd 2008

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SNM

3870MHz effective DDR? That's nearly double the next-fastest in use right now...

#3, plus it's the name of their current top product. I wonder if... : leor (#8) «

#4. Posted at 10:36 AM on Apr 23rd 2008

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Lord.Blue

OK, green team(nV), meed the brown team(DAAMIT), and the blue team(intel). Fight!