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   #35. Posted at 10:37 AM on Apr 14th 2008 Edit   Reply

is these via cn+geforce abailable or is a plan.
that is what i was wainting a low consuption pc with nvidia video
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   #12. Posted at 02:25 PM on Apr 11th 2008 Edit   Reply

When you start talking pre-emptively about your competitor's vapor, you're officially worried.
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   #21. Posted at 12:03 AM on Apr 12th 2008 Edit   Reply

I think it's AMD's graphics+cpu hybrid that looks promising. Just judging from Intel's integrated graphics, I can see why nVidia doesn't feel too threatened.

That said I think Intel's push to be a more serious graphics contender can only improve the graphics market. If some of their ray tracing tech pans out you can bet nVidia and AMD will want to adopt it. I just hope a patent war doesn't crop up.
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   #5. Posted at 01:25 PM on Apr 11th 2008, Edited at 01:25 PM on Apr 11th 2008 Edit   Reply

Huang summed up Nvidia's position on Larrabee in one sentence: "We're gonna open a can of whoop-ass [on Intel]."

That strikes me as extremely unprofessional.

He said running a ray tracer on a cell phone is "hard to conceive."

Running anything but a conversation on a cell phone used to be hard to conceive, too!

Nvidia is readying a platform to accompany VIA's next-generation Isaiah processor

This is just about the best hardware news I've heard so far this year.
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   #27. Posted at 01:43 AM on Apr 13th 2008 Edit   Reply

Intel might be reaching to make one as fast as Nvidia's best but as for having the know how to do it...couldn't they just take G92 to their engineers and say "make a better one"?
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   #26. Posted at 02:04 PM on Apr 12th 2008, Edited at 02:06 PM on Apr 12th 2008 Edit   Reply

Money and market dominance does not a winner make.... in a new realm. And for Intel, simultaneous state-of-the-art graphics together with serious number-crunching (AI, physics etc) in SINGLE desktop or mobile-domain CPU is surely new territory. Larrabee will not be customer-available until 2010 at the earliest, so Intel's current graphics-dominant rant is only an Intel Marketing "paper-tiger" . Yes, they are throwing pots of money at Larrabee, rapidly building the Larrabee engineering team etc, but regardless of hardware-architecture their struggle is uphill on two fronts -at least. Power-management and efficient high-performance graphics/parallel-processing software.

On the subject of power-management, take for example current state-of-the-art gaming technology such as Crysis. This game loads BOTH
multicore CPUs and graphics-engines to the full. Even with 45nm CPU technology and 55nm GPU technology, we are looking at over 300 watts of combined power ( with multiple GPUs, PLUS discounting ALL the memory and MB chip-set power) to run this game at 1600x1200 with the graphics maxed. And regardless of nay-sayers to the contrary, Crysis is very efficiently coded. So Larrabee is going to have this capability built into a SINGLE silicon die, even at 32nm? Mandatory water-cooling for all desktop CPUs? Pull the other one, it might have bells on it. Both nVidia and ATi pull all sorts of on-chip power-management tricks to keep the GPU dissipation down. Think that Intel has anything better in that department up their sleeves -- then think again. Both nV and ATi are way ahead of Intel in the silicon power management department. They have had to be since (a) they do not have access to the most power-efficient silicon-processes and (b) their GPUs are massively parallel-processing engines with vastly higher numbers of computations per clock cycle than ANY Intel processor including Itanium.

And on the subject of parallel-processing software/hardware combinations for both graphics and intense number-crunching look no further than nVidia's CUDA and its employment with nV's GPU's in their Tesla initiative. Industrial number-crunching at the desktop is an exponential growth business for nVidia, with huge profit margins. Or look at nVidia's near-total ownership of real-time broadcast special-effects hardware and software with their Quadro series. Check around the National Association of Broadcasters show now opening in Las Vegas for confirmation of nV's penetration.

By the time, Larrabee arrives, nV will be two more hardware generations ahead (and on TSMCs 45nm process) in both GPU-graphics and the application of GPUs as GPGPUs to computationally intensive tasks. Whether in industry or games, nVidia will have both hardware and MATURE software toolsets to handle those tasks. No doubt these tools will also take advantage of whatever Nehalem or Larrabee will offer as general-purpose compute engines, but the notion of a CPU such as Larrabee SOLELY addressing the demands of high-peformance graphics in combination with the advanced AI and advanced physics demanded games in year 2010 is purely Intel marketing hot-air.

Maybe Larrabee will make some inroads as the combo CPU/graphics core of the successor to the Nintendo Wii, but as for addressing the gaming needs for the successors to the PS3 and Xbox360 in 2011-2012, expect a CPU core still in combo with a GPU core... probably from nVidia, if AMD/ATi does not survive the current financial turmoil.
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   #25. Posted at 12:41 PM on Apr 12th 2008, Edited at 12:42 PM on Apr 12th 2008 Edit   Reply

ah, pride comes before a fall....

When will the fall come? When Intel decides to make it painful.

And if we don't have AMD around... ohh there will be a very monopolistic Intel on the CPU side...
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   #24. Posted at 11:44 AM on Apr 12th 2008, Edited at 11:45 AM on Apr 12th 2008 Edit   Reply

Jen-Hsun Huang is a pretty inspiring guy. I am quite shocked that I am saying that since I have been until recently an ATI guy! He is spot on though and I look forward to Nvidia eventually acquiring VIA and taking on Intel and crushing AMD
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   #23. Posted at 08:07 AM on Apr 12th 2008, Edited at 08:08 AM on Apr 12th 2008 Edit   Reply

Larrabee has more work to do. Judging it took alot of years for Pentium 4 to significantly take the cpu crown from Athlon and transform to core2.

If Larrabee exist in the market it may stand as third contender from the more mature 2 GPU makers with lots of experience and well positioned GPU company.

Larrabee as an Integrated may do well but as discrete I dont believe can take the GPU crown at the launching that is a miracle.
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   #20. Posted at 05:49 PM on Apr 11th 2008 Edit   Reply

As usual, Huang's analysis and strategy are dead on. His company will continue to prosper and grow for the next decade.
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   #19. Posted at 05:02 PM on Apr 11th 2008 Edit   Reply

Nvidia is worried that average joe and kid gamer would loss complete interest in discrete solutions, because Intel's integrated GPUs start to perform decently instead of being made of fail at 3D graphics.

The hardcore market is simply not enough to keep discrete GPUs alives. Look at good, old 3dfx when they had tried so to keep afloat with only hardcore users, while ignoring the mainstream market.
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   #18. Posted at 04:23 PM on Apr 11th 2008 Edit   Reply

I'd love intel to suprise them in this.
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   #17. Posted at 03:49 PM on Apr 11th 2008 Edit   Reply

Wow I would have expected him to say that Intel is right and Nvidia is doing everything wrong...
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   #2. Posted at 12:39 PM on Apr 11th 2008 Edit   Reply

I agree with Huang on that a lower-end CPU paired with a higher-end GPU will be a superior experience to users, and may bring PC gaming back to competition with consoles (especially if laptops like that get sold more), but...

...I have a hard time respecting the man when Nvidia's drivers suck hardcore, and when, curiously, at the same time that ATI is having trouble competing, the newly-released Geforce 9-series is breathtakingly... underwhelming.

Hmm.
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   #13. Posted at 03:00 PM on Apr 11th 2008 Edit   Reply

It'd be awesome if AMD/ATI came out of nowhere in this argument.
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   #4. Posted at 01:13 PM on Apr 11th 2008 Edit   Reply

That pie-chart of the GPU is ridiculous. Nice try nvidia, maybe if your chipsets didn't run so hot and gpus weren't so expensive, people would actually believe you.
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   #1. Posted at 12:33 PM on Apr 11th 2008 Edit   Reply

i love the image! the NV gray eye...but better! where did you guys get that? i want it! :p
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