Comments for: Dell clarifies its AMD plans

#17. Posted at 10:12 AM on Feb 11th 2008

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pluscard

There is no question I do have a beef with Intel.

You can't read AMD's antitrust complaint without believing at least some of it is true. Further, Intel is now involved in no less than 4 antitrust suits from countries world wide. I don't mean competitors, I mean Japan, Korea, the EU and now the state of New York.

Regarding the The Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation patent violation claim... Intel has been sued hundreds of times for similar claims and seems to always settle. I seriously believe they think they can make more money by stealing the tech, then settling the claim later.

Having said that, I do believe we're moving into a competitive environment where AMD will have about 30% of the biz, which is enough to at least keep Intel "honest".

Which ultimately is good for the consumer.

Plus

#17, I don't disagree with any of that. What I have a hard time w... : flip-mode (#18) «

#17, While I don't disagree with some of your points I wonder jus... : JFK375 (#39) «

#39, I own shares of AMD stock. As part of "due dilligence" of... : pluscard (#40) «

#40, A lot of good points there. I really think however AMD... : JFK375 (#41) «

# First off, I think there is zero chance that AMD is going BK... : pluscard (#44) «

# Now, this is a sentiment that kind of irks me. I understand ... : Kurotetsu (#46) «

#46, I wouldn't buy an inferior product either just to help th... : pluscard (#48) «

#48, Okay, sticking strictly with a gaming system for the m... : Kurotetsu (#58) «

#46, Thank You Kurotetsu! - Could not agree more. : JFK375 (#50) «

#46, Just because they can't compete at the very top end doesn... : just brew it! (#56) «

#56, Except that I was not specifying just the top end or b... : Kurotetsu (#59) «

#59, For workloads which don't benefit from quad cores, ... : just brew it! (#60) «

# Balls? : indeego (#61) «

#3. Posted at 08:10 AM on Feb 11th 2008, Edited at 08:12 AM on Feb 11th 2008

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fake0189

You do realize that AMD has a superior product. A university is taking Intel to court for stealing a code that is used in the C2D and Penryn (and possibly Nehalem) CPU's which makes them so great. And if the University can prove that the code is theirs, than they are going to become quite wealthy

So technically the C2D and Penryn don't belong to Intel even though they manufactured them. Intel can't even beat AMD without having to resort to stealing or copying others. Just look at Nehalem. Its copying a solution which AMD has been using for years only they are calling it something else.

The C2D and Penryn are still awesome CPU's no doubt about that, and I plan on getting the Q9450 when it comes out. But no credit should be given to Intel for this.

EDIT: New to this forum. This was directed at ScytheBlade

EDIT2: Forgot to mention that Intel may be forced to stop manufacturing the C2d and Penryns. But its unlikely. They will simply have to pay the university for every CPU they sell.

#3, Umm...sources? : Fragnificent (#4) «

#4, http://www.physorg.com/news121750792.html : derFunkenstein (#5) «

#5, The link provided contains no details over what the la... : Master Kenobi (#8) «

#8, not really, just a quick Google result for the lazy... : derFunkenstein (#9) «

#5, Intel DID take tech from Transmeta and lost that lawsu... : wingless (#10) «

#10, See my previous post. UW isn't in the business of s... : just brew it! (#26) «

#3, Just look at Nehalem. Its copying a solution which AMD has b... : tfp (#6) «

#6, The oldest I can find is that in 2001 IBM's POWER4 had an... : derFunkenstein (#11) «

#11, The AMD Athlon brought many of the DEC "Alpha" process... : pluscard (#13) «

#11, Power4 did not have an ODMC, Power5 introduced that. P... : Forge (#14) «

#14, Not according to this: http://www.digit-life.com/art... : derFunkenstein (#16) «

#3, Wow, just wow... words can't describe how utterly ridiculous... : orthogonal (#7) «

#7, Yes, he is also pluscard. Matter of fact, despite selling... : pluscard (#12) «

#12, LOL : flip-mode (#15) «

#12, I am pluscard! : bthylafh (#34) «

#3, *blinks*... That rant isn't even....internally consistent. AM... : d2brothe (#19) «

#3, Wow... just wow. That must be a mighty powerful reality dist... : just brew it! (#25) «

#25, Regarding suspending C2D sales, while I agree it's certai... : pluscard (#30) «

#3, Your insane. Clock for Clock Core 2 is raking Amd over the c... : maxxcool (#29) «

#3, Intel can't even beat AMD without having to resort to steal... : maxxcool (#31) «

#31, But did they ever win? : pluscard (#32) «

#32, So you're conceding that AMD really did cheat but it o... : derFunkenstein (#33) «

#33, You know the saying don't you? "It's only cheating i... : Kurotetsu (#35) «

#33, "So you're conceding that AMD really did cheat " ---... : pluscard (#36) «

#31, Athlon64 and it's on die memory controller and hypertrans... : Franken13 (#53) «

#53, As its been stated in other replies already.... 2 or 3... : maxxcool (#54) «

#53, Unless they can get thier IPC per clock to equal or ex... : maxxcool (#55) «

#55, Well... yes and no. Faster HT will result in better... : just brew it! (#57) «

#45. Posted at 08:52 AM on Feb 12th 2008

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pluscard

It appears the EU has raided Intels offices yet again:

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206...

#45, Honestly, I'm very curious to see how far the EU can push Mi... : Kurotetsu (#47) «

#47, Industry leaders are always under attack for anti-competi... : JFK375 (#49) «

#45, EU is the only authority in fight against monopoly. If the EU... : bogbox (#51) «

#51, Not disagreeing just that having worked for large corpora... : JFK375 (#52) «

#1. Posted at 07:29 AM on Feb 11th 2008

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ScythedBlade

I'm tempted to post that

AMD is dying, AMD is dying ...

but that would annoy the AMD fanbois ...

#1, That's good you didn't as I'd say that would have also annoy... : poulpy (#2) «

#2, Seconded. : d2brothe (#20) «

#2, They're bleeding money with no idea of when it'll stop. T... : Irascible (#22) «

#22, I thought they said it would stop in the third or four... : flip-mode (#23) «

#22, First off, you're repeating the "buzz" without actual ... : pluscard (#24) «

#24, Finally, AMD is now a more diverse company than INT... : just brew it! (#27) «

#27, I left out consumer electronics. (HDtv controlle... : pluscard (#28) «

#24, Ed says it best: If you cut out this adjustment, ign... : Irascible (#37) «

#24, I'm pretty sure Intel is still more diverse they st... : BobbinThreadbare (#38) «

#22, Way behind of what? Your arcade shooter fps? : shank15217 (#42) «

#21. Posted at 11:23 AM on Feb 11th 2008

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alex666

I doubt that Dell will throw out AMD as they continue to be quite progressive in terms of chipsets, integrated graphics, et al. It's not just about CPUs.