i seriously don't want you wasting time & energy on this, Scott.

We can guess what the final conclusion would be, so unless you need it to play GW or SupCom, just leave it on the shelf, please. :)

Yeah, don't bother with reviewing this processor. Boring I believe is the word I'd use for this launch. We already know that Core 2 will beat it, and for the same price, you can grab a quad core and overclock the snot out of it.

I guess it's a given that .65 is broken, for high speeds anyway, and probably leaks badly.

Amd does not inspire any confidence in myself. This is not the AMD of yesteryear that had the superior product and did everything they could to get the news out there. Now its using stealth launches to hide an inferior product/price.

The only downside is that if this company goes bankrupt or is split up, we will all be screwed. Intel will once again become the monopoly it was before AMD was around. So get ready for upsurd pricing and extremely slow product launches. The whole thing is exasperated with the fact that ATi is now owned by AMD. Graphics cards are already at insane pricing levels. Could you imagine what would happen if Nvidia was the only high-end graphics card maker. Can you say $1200.00 Nvidia cards for 25% increase in performance?

200 mghz not worth it , all you have to do is compare it to an oced 6000 +

Not to be overly defensive, but comparing a dual-core AMD cpu @$240 to a quad-core Intel cpu@$280-$600 + isn't fair and kindof biased. If you HAVE to make a comparison at least compare it to a high-end Intel c2d with two cores at a similar price.

Just a lil' irresponsible, is all.

"AMD has elected not to supply samples of this product to reviewers, and, well, you can probably guess why that might be."

Same reason why some Hollywood studios wont allow critics to release reviews on their movies before they come out, for the fear of it being cr@p. Is it just the art of milking a dead cow? Who knows. But thats just me speculating.

With all due respect, at these performance levels, I doubt the difference in gaming performance would be noticeable, except when using benchmarks. The X2 6400 actually wins most of the synthetic benchmarks.

What's interesting is this is AMD's old design built on AMD's old process, yet it competes favorable with Intel's latest, at the same price point.

Phenom is the new design, built on AMD's new process, and I think we all know how strong it's going to be.

If I'm not mistaken, a system built with this X2 today, can drop the Phenom in later as an upgrade.

I'm sticking with AMD.

I finally decided it was time to upgrade, and went over to Newegg to fit out a Core2 rig.

After looking at processor, motherboard, and memory, I ordered an AMD system. The motherboard was a little cheaper, but the memory difference was huge. DDR2 800 is cheap, and I saved well over $100 with rebates.

So the processor price isn't the whole story, total platform cost is.

Here are some reviews
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-3115-view-Athlon-64-X2-6400+-revi...
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/hwdb.php?tid=842214&tp=AMD-A64X2-6400&rid=...

E6750 is cheaper, and it beats 6400+ in gaming and in most of the real world applications.

Not to mention that E6750 overclocks much better and consume less power

The original title of this article referred to a "stealth launch" of the X2 6400+ Black Edition. That wasn't quite fair, since our info about the product came directly from people at AMD, who directly gave us notice about the product launch late last week, well before it happened. In fairness, I've changed the headline to better reflect the reality.

mAJORD seems to be getting some good overclocks out of it.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2375726#post23...

I can't wait until AMD goes under and Intel and Nvidia have their monopolies.

Agree with others: we don't need a review. A 200mhz clock speed bump and some more relatively useless cache shouldn't translate to much.

AMD is seems to be targeting the fanbois with this release, as they aren't including a cooler (which they know those leet AMDroids don't need). Hey, whatever...if it sells chips, then more power to them.

I don't understand why a new very fast, very hot CPU would be built on the 90nm process, what am I missing here?

No cooler? WTF? There should be an Ultra 120 Extreme packaged with the thing.

FWIW, I have no interest in seeing the thing reviewed, it's obviously going to get molested by C2D, C2Q. Then again, maybe it should be reviewed so AMD doesn't get to play the stealth game.

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-3115-view-Athlon-64-X2-6400+-revi...
some benchies to hold you over.

Given that the Intel Extreme x6800 ships in a black box (at least according to the pic on NewEgg - it's a touch out of my price range), the packaging sounds like a 'me, too' sort of thing.

The only way AMD would be able to generate interest now is to ship their products in Core 2 Duo boxes.

:D

Nah, I suspect there aren't even many Windsor cores that can handle 3.2Ghz at 125W TDP. ;)

Methinks, the X2 6400+ = new Thoroughbred-B 2800+.

Maybe AMD is using black because it ran out of red ink for it's financial statements?